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We have been waiting years for a good-looking M&M in all its 3D's splendor, and now they give us a game with 1990's graphics.
Go figures:P
Go figures:P
Kmanfree
I was hoping for retro movement, not graphics.
ram.zes
Oh... I think, it's more useful to add anti-aliasing option then this pixilation! Please, add anti-aliasing!
Marzhin93
There will definitely be anti-aliasing in the final game.
ram.zes
MARZHIN93,
Thanks! Keep up the good work!
Thanks! Keep up the good work!
ram.zes
Without 256 colors it looks like just low resolution graphic, not retro. :-)
jsebela
You really like to play with hornets, don´t you? Please, stop playing with something useless like this and rather focus on adding-in all those things players miss: paperdolls, alchemy, repair skill, Arcomage, rings and amulet relics, full dubing for EVERY NPC... Should I continue with this list?
Marzhin93
The retro mode is a fun bonus mode made by a couple of programmers on their spare time. The features you mention are beyond our scope since beside the design and coding work they would require tons of new graphical assets that are just not possible with our budget.
In any case, I think we've been clear very early on that there would be no Arcomage, paper dolls or alchemy in Might & Magic X -- you'll note that these weren't present in the Xeen games either.
In any case, I think we've been clear very early on that there would be no Arcomage, paper dolls or alchemy in Might & Magic X -- you'll note that these weren't present in the Xeen games either.
Marzhin93
You should also remember that even Mandate of Heaven had no Arcomage (that was only in MM7 and 8), or full dubbing for all NPCs (with the exception of the CD version of Xeen I don't think that ever happened in a Might & Magic game).
jsebela
To Marzhin93: Yes, you´ve been straightforward about those things, but even if you won´t include paperdolls, things like more content (alias more items, relics, dungeons etc.) and repair skill, ... ARE in your capabilities. Focusing your time on thing which would be used by 1% of players, is wasting and could be spent more useful.
SadFerret
If a couple of programmers did this for fun on their spare time, no actual resources were spent on making it.
schuschinger
yeah I agree, would be nice/okay as a bonus but I would definately prefer the list below OR faster Movement generally, obv. if this has rly quick movement(which I doubt) then Im gonna use that one.
beholderlolo
Who wants to play with these ugly graphics today...
It would have a sense if all sprites where adapted. Not a "ugly" version of the official graphics.
Useless options imo :-/
It would have a sense if all sprites where adapted. Not a "ugly" version of the official graphics.
Useless options imo :-/
Reaver298
thats a poor excuse marzhin, and jsebela is right.
Marzhin93
What excuse? That we don't have a big budget? That's not an excuse, but a fact.
LegacyForTheWin
Pitch for more money then. You and us (the fans) are in the same boat here.
Convince UBI that paperdolls etc. will attract more buyers, will strenghten the brand due to better reviews and hence translate into better profits.
And make some polls how much money people would invest for getting archomage etc. (e.g. I would pay 10 USD for getting well done paperdolls + archomage)
Convince UBI that paperdolls etc. will attract more buyers, will strenghten the brand due to better reviews and hence translate into better profits.
And make some polls how much money people would invest for getting archomage etc. (e.g. I would pay 10 USD for getting well done paperdolls + archomage)
evpkol
F**k this budget excuse. RPG gaming has a ton of possible ways of improving gameplay experience, a sure damn vast variety of those, which not neccessarily demand solid expenses. That's the beauty of it. It's not an action game like CoD or Battl***, it is not an adventure-action like AC of GTA. It is an RP f*** G, god damn it.
evpkol
You thought of one - relics, even if you borrowed it from another game, it is nice. But it is a drop in an ocean. Moreover everything has already been thought out and implemented a hundred times before you, by other (more experienced developers).
evpkol
When you have strict funding limitations, isn't it reasonable to go with already tested and proven features and moves??? I'm not playing Einstain here, am I? "Oh we have this little budget thingy over here, so lets cut everything out, and focus on battle (in which player cann't aim anything which doesn't stand in adjacent tile)". Unfortunately it seems you are too inexperienced to uncover full range of possibilities RPG genre offers.
LegacyForTheWin
Well, to give you guys some credit: Yes, you sayed before that there wont be arcomage, paperdolls and other features that the (VIP) fans desire. True.
But what I dont get is why you focus on the wrong things. The priorities should be
1) Excellent game mechanics (including spell / skill system)
2) Good, extensive content
3) Nice, intuitive, convenient UI
...
9999) Retro mode
This could be a (nice) add-on. But not smth people spent precious and scarce time on.
But what I dont get is why you focus on the wrong things. The priorities should be
1) Excellent game mechanics (including spell / skill system)
2) Good, extensive content
3) Nice, intuitive, convenient UI
...
9999) Retro mode
This could be a (nice) add-on. But not smth people spent precious and scarce time on.
Marzhin93
The things you list ARE the priorities, believe me. Just not things that can easily be shown in a blog article.
Again, this retro mode was something programmers were having fun with in their spare time. If we don't let people blow some steam and do silly stuff like this, then working on video games would be a nightmare. I strongly believe that in order to make fun games, you must have fun making them. Else why bother?
Again, this retro mode was something programmers were having fun with in their spare time. If we don't let people blow some steam and do silly stuff like this, then working on video games would be a nightmare. I strongly believe that in order to make fun games, you must have fun making them. Else why bother?
Gattz13
Whoo hoo, negative feedback.
I wonder why retro mode sets people up in the wrong way. I recall not too few forums where gamers ask for retro games and remakes or sequels that would be as much retro as possible.
And as this was made in spare time, I don't think that it is appropriate to compare it with any other demands, which are addressed via general working time (and it does not seem to me that devs intentionally would not pursue future game improvements)
I wonder why retro mode sets people up in the wrong way. I recall not too few forums where gamers ask for retro games and remakes or sequels that would be as much retro as possible.
And as this was made in spare time, I don't think that it is appropriate to compare it with any other demands, which are addressed via general working time (and it does not seem to me that devs intentionally would not pursue future game improvements)
jsebela
I think that they were forwarned, if they bothered to read feedback on poll what to do in next patch.
As for the negative part. Do you wonder? Speaking for myself I am disappointed at how much things will be missing from what I remember from the series. And devs show me how they are spending time in which they could add new content or hunt the bugs.
As for the negative part. Do you wonder? Speaking for myself I am disappointed at how much things will be missing from what I remember from the series. And devs show me how they are spending time in which they could add new content or hunt the bugs.
Gattz13
I know Jsebela, what you mean and you are right.
But for this specific feature, I also know that it was somehow announced a long time ago, so it's not like they ignore our feedback and do something else instead.
Also I know that on some feedback (paperdolls) were already replies that it may take much more time as it may require hard coding in the game core.
So that's why I am not surprised (nor angry) when I see they finished retro mode.
But for this specific feature, I also know that it was somehow announced a long time ago, so it's not like they ignore our feedback and do something else instead.
Also I know that on some feedback (paperdolls) were already replies that it may take much more time as it may require hard coding in the game core.
So that's why I am not surprised (nor angry) when I see they finished retro mode.
Quique30
It probably has to do with how this feature is perceived in order of importance. Doesn't matter if it's done in spare time or not. There's arguably more contributing things to do with that time.
jsebela
As for full dubing - it was in ultima IX, and would certainly be welcomed as it is STANDARD in todays games.
For paperdolls and additional player wanted content - well it could be kickstarted - even if you don´t get the money, you would at least see how many people wants it. It is shame that ubisoft is such cheapskate to limit your budget so much.
For paperdolls and additional player wanted content - well it could be kickstarted - even if you don´t get the money, you would at least see how many people wants it. It is shame that ubisoft is such cheapskate to limit your budget so much.
Marzhin93
"it is STANDARD in todays games." => that's not true. It is standard in AAA games. Many games still don't go that route (most Nintendo games come to mind). At least we're not selling the game at full price.
Marzhin93
"It is shame that ubisoft is such cheapskate to limit your budget so much." => even at the peak of its popularity the Might & Magic RPG series was never a million-seller. And it's been more than ten years since the last episode, while both MM8 and 9 had poor reviews and poorer sales even back then. As said before Might & Magic X is a way to test the waters, see if people are still interested in the series, to hopefully make a more ambitious game next time.
muratkom
Jsebela +1, if MMX is the way to test the water, MMX should be master piece, listening hardcore funs, but as far as i see you have no intention to listen anyone else than you and spending your time for wortless options, Game has terrible skill and magic systems ...
muratkom
not releated with this but everyday i m checking this website to see an interesting game news or something that excites me but only i see is another interview with another developer, I truly dont care what you are doing in the office, if you fed ppl with game content and its news than mentioning about devs are ok, but under this circumtances, hell no
jsebela
To marzhin93 08:34: I hope you remember the it was those games publisher 3DO, who forced NWC to release those games incomplete, thus earning them such reception.
3DO wanted money and quick, I remember, that between MM6,7,8 the interval was a year! Between 8 and 9 two years. But they were building game on new engine, so I understand why it ended as it ended.
3DO wanted money and quick, I remember, that between MM6,7,8 the interval was a year! Between 8 and 9 two years. But they were building game on new engine, so I understand why it ended as it ended.
beholderlolo
People ARE interrested in game like MM series.
Just have a look on the huge success of Legend of Grimrock -__-
Just have a look on the huge success of Legend of Grimrock -__-
Ice-H1961
Come on people no need to get that angry, it' s just a gimmick :-D
Marzhin93
Welcome on the Internet, where people believe they know everything, want it all and want it NOW :)
Ice-H1961
*sigh* :-D
SadFerret
Pretty funny. :-D But I'm actually replaying Lands of Lore right now, and this is pretty much what it looks like.
As for the complaints, you people need to understand this is not Call of Duty or any of those big budget AAA games. It's a middleware game and it's not going to turn into anything "more" by complaining about it. The devs have to proritize stuff very heavily, and I think you agree there are more important things to consider than paper dolls and minigames.
As for the complaints, you people need to understand this is not Call of Duty or any of those big budget AAA games. It's a middleware game and it's not going to turn into anything "more" by complaining about it. The devs have to proritize stuff very heavily, and I think you agree there are more important things to consider than paper dolls and minigames.
SadFerret
Also, lighten up a little guys! It must be totally discouraging to post something fun they've been doing only to get nothing but whining. They're doing the best they can. I think it says something about their motivation that they did this mode on their spare time just for fun! I think it's a great thing to have devs who are actually motivated by more than their monthly paycheck and IMO more important than a large budget to make a great game. That's why games are so souless nowadays.
muratkom
yes motivation is correct but they can use this spare time to do something alot better, people (and me) has reaction to this, only 2 patches released there are huge improvements required, game seems (even 1st chapter) no completed and devs think it is completed, as i mention before magic and skill systems required rework, repair etc. lots of think require attantion
Marzhin93
@Muratkom: how could we think the game is completed considering it hasn't even been released yet? ^^'
muratkom
while lots of things worriying the people loved MM series it is not good idea to work on something else that the missing parts of the game as if they completed the game already, when game released with great sucsees and than everyone can do whatever they want, but i think they are doing prioritization not as good as it should be. devs may spend their time to convince the project manager to do core game changes etc etc ...
Ice-H1961
@muratkom
I don' t know where you come from and what "spare times" means there, but where I come from "spare times" means you can do with it whatever you like, just saying ;-)
@ the other 2 folks:
You got it :-D
I don' t know where you come from and what "spare times" means there, but where I come from "spare times" means you can do with it whatever you like, just saying ;-)
@ the other 2 folks:
You got it :-D
restless_soul
the team give likes/dislikes to comments?
jsebela
If Ubisoft isn´t cheapskate, then why haven´t I seen single ad for MMX anywhere? Eurogamer.net, for example almost don´t knows MMX exists, there´s not a single article about MMX on it. How Ubi imagines that sales will go, if most people even don´t know the game exists?
And what about boxed versions? Will there be boxed version in Czech republic, USA and other countries for release of the game? Or will it end with same result as in August with Early Access?
And what about boxed versions? Will there be boxed version in Czech republic, USA and other countries for release of the game? Or will it end with same result as in August with Early Access?
SadFerret
Advertising is expensive and often not feasible for small budget games. Niche titles are usually sold through word-of-mouth and free press. If a title is good and the audience exists (even a small one), a title can still exceed sales expectations by a long shot without any paid advertising. Such happened, for example, for Grimrock, which got its dev costs back within hours of release.
Wow, I can't believe how demanding and even arrogant people on this site are. Like they fucking own the game. Come on, people, it's a PRIVILEGE that the devs actually let us get a say in the game, they don't OWE us any control over how they should spend their time and budget, so stop acting like the fucking Ubi CEO and enjoy being able to play the game this early on in development. I, for one, thoroughly enjoyed it, and think the devs should be proud of it.
jsebela
I don´t see anyone saying that hate or don´t enjoy the game. People are mostly complaining about lack of content, about things that aren´t in game. They want to enjoy game even more. It think it is a positive sign. But poking people in sensitive place with article like this is just not wise.
Kmanfree
We paid $30 for the game, I would say we own it. If people feel they are being cheated yeah they are going to hear about it and have a right to voice their opinion, after all that is part of the idea behind early access. I don't blame the devs so much as UBI and not giving them the time or budget to do more.
SadFerret
KMANFREE, paying $30 gives you a license to play the game, it does not mean you own the game and it definitely doesn't mean you have any decision power in the development.
Most complaints seem to be about how an early access, middle of development game not even in Beta is not a finished game. Well, duh. What exactly did you expect?
Most complaints seem to be about how an early access, middle of development game not even in Beta is not a finished game. Well, duh. What exactly did you expect?
Alyceia
I like it :)
Slayer019850
I agree with VSLOT. I think the game is great given the time/budget that the devs have. The devs mentioned it plenty of times, if this game is successful then there will be a bigger budget for a better and bigger MMXI. I think this game is great and I believe I speak for most of the early access players. Can't wait for final release.
bpstrat
This totally looks like those mid-90's era games! Keep up the good work, I'm looking forward to MMX.
C_Rastrelly
To make this mode look properly you need to simplify or even disable lighting, pixelate also UI and character portraits, and maybe switch dialog font to something more oldschool.
Ubi-Nox
Hello everybody,
Well it’s nice to see that there is lot of passion around here, even if this creates some clashes, thank you all for your investment in this project :)
As you know we are currently in the final straight of Might & Magic X – Legacy development and our teams are doing their best to offer you a great experience.
We are taking good note of all your suggestions and comments, many improvements are prepared by our team (broken items, riddles, bosses etc.).
Well it’s nice to see that there is lot of passion around here, even if this creates some clashes, thank you all for your investment in this project :)
As you know we are currently in the final straight of Might & Magic X – Legacy development and our teams are doing their best to offer you a great experience.
We are taking good note of all your suggestions and comments, many improvements are prepared by our team (broken items, riddles, bosses etc.).
Ubi-Nox
We always tried to be as clear as possible about our ambitions and it is important to remember that the actual version is only Early Access.
We really are proud of what we accomplished with the final game and we can assure you that you will have lot to discover soon…
We really are proud of what we accomplished with the final game and we can assure you that you will have lot to discover soon…
restless_soul
what about making instant movement from grid to grid as in old MM games?
Assassin :D game that makes schoolchildren crazy.
Assassin :D game that makes schoolchildren crazy.
beholderlolo
You mean implementing an old school movement ?
Sorry, devs don't have time to spend on this on their free time, and they don't have enough budget to do it during their business time.
Maybe during their next vacations, who knows...
xD
Sorry, devs don't have time to spend on this on their free time, and they don't have enough budget to do it during their business time.
Maybe during their next vacations, who knows...
xD
SadFerret
It seems everybody thinks themselves experts on game development and marketing. :-D
beholderlolo
I noticed something funny : even with these ugly graphics, fps are still encountering some serious issue :D
smoothemoose
Fun! I might turn this on if I feel like conjuring up my Xeen days.
Ice-H1961
Note to the devs: There are people around here who seem to be desperate to crticise you for everything you do. Don' t let them discourage you.
To that sort of people: You are annoying at least to me. If you can do better, apply for a job at the team or start your own project on kickstarter.
To that sort of people: You are annoying at least to me. If you can do better, apply for a job at the team or start your own project on kickstarter.
Ice-H1961
Contiue:
Don' t get me wrong, there are some things that need to be done better, but let' s just wait for the final version.
What annoyes me is that some people always repeat their "I need this and that and so much more" critic even if it doesn' t belong to the subject like in this case :-(
BTW: Reading the introduction of this roject more carefully might have helped to prevent anger, just saying :-D
Don' t get me wrong, there are some things that need to be done better, but let' s just wait for the final version.
What annoyes me is that some people always repeat their "I need this and that and so much more" critic even if it doesn' t belong to the subject like in this case :-(
BTW: Reading the introduction of this roject more carefully might have helped to prevent anger, just saying :-D
Zorko1990
even know i also will miss the paperdolls, Arcomage and many of the other things i really wants to thanks for a new MM game, for 10 years we have miss it and know i comes, allready buyed to me and my brother. I love have it looks and even the tiles system is okay, but the best part is just to be back i the world of MM. I think it looks better then expected, and the updates so fare in the early access have been very good keep up the good world, looking forward for the full releads =D
SadFerret
I totally agree with ICE-H1961 that people who just sit and whine are getting on my nerves. Suggestions, bug reports and constructive feedback are a good thing, *when done in the appropriate forum threads*. Crying about an unfinished game being unfinished, or complaining about things that can't and won't change is nothing but stupid and annoying. Maybe some of you need to just accept the fact that this game might not be for you. It most definitely is for me and many others and I'm behind it 100%
Ice-H1961
Tx dude you got it right, thumbs up.
Man, I can't believe that what started as a joke on my part ended up causing such a quarrel.
Personally, I won't be using Retro Mode; but as long as it doesn't hinder the developement cycle, and Marzhin has already assured us that it won't, then this feature is fine for me.
Personally, I won't be using Retro Mode; but as long as it doesn't hinder the developement cycle, and Marzhin has already assured us that it won't, then this feature is fine for me.
Ice-H1961
Another thought. As Marzhin said already, THIS is a test of waters and therefore writting this down might just be the end of the MM series and THIS will truely be a crying shame, will it?
So pls people think about what is at stake before you write.
So pls people think about what is at stake before you write.
jsebela
Thats exactly why they should make best game they can, try to achieve more using old proverb, "if you are not cheating, you are not trying hard enough"
People say it is middleware game. I say why not put in effort to make AAA game?!
People say it is middleware game. I say why not put in effort to make AAA game?!
SadFerret
JSEBELA, I'm sure they are doing the best they can, but money and time are still going to be restrictions you just can't help. Games are not done with magical fairy dust.
C_Rastrelly
There is a tiiiiny problem. Say, Xeen. 1992 game. 9 people on dev team. Available engine functionality is far superior. Wizardry 7. About 11 or 12 people in dev team. Should I even start of what possibilities that game had and how enormous it was? And I doubt these games had that much of a budget. They just wanted to make a deep roleplaying game with lots and lots of different possibilities. They didn't want to play by rules.
beholderlolo
Games didn't need as many graphic works as today.
So, the comparison is a bit diffult to be done.
So, the comparison is a bit diffult to be done.
WTFisthisubi
The MM series ended years ago. This current Ashan-based Ubi-DRM-infested reboot is an insult. The sooner Ubi give up making M&M games and release the IP to someone who will treat it properly, the better.
WTFisthisubi
The MM series ended years ago. This current Ashan-based Ubi-DRM-infested reboot is an insult. The sooner Ubi give up making M&M games and release the IP to someone who will treat it properly, the better.
Talin_Trollbane
You guys do realize that retro-mode is opttional, right?
i mean, you cant be that...oh nevermind.
i mean, you cant be that...oh nevermind.
C_Rastrelly
We DO realize it's optional. We also do realize that 20 or 30 new spells ans a new skill tree would be much more welcome.
SLIOUSGE
You cant really beat individual human Righteousness...that god given right that ur word(s) is the perfect one and everybody should follow ur advice, especially the devs if you paid an additional 30€...
WHO actually has to lose more in this controversy of not enough extras in the game?...the devs or the fans WHO waited long time for something other than Skyrim?...
WHO actually has to lose more in this controversy of not enough extras in the game?...the devs or the fans WHO waited long time for something other than Skyrim?...
SLIOUSGE
I for one, I enjoyed even the 1st release of the game when it was impossible to beat the boss with my own made party
SLIOUSGE
Cont'd: already played it 3 coz of lack of any similar rpg game and if game isnt out till mid-January, I'll play it again with any party I can make harder to progress easy...that's how GOOD this is, apart any faults.
I want more 2 like paperdols, etc, but lets not kid ourselves,there isnt a game like this but LoG and I enjoy MMX more. If they put enough content/riddles(apart balancing skills and magic), THAT WILL BE ENOUGH FOR ME and others, till the next one when expectations will b way higher!
I want more 2 like paperdols, etc, but lets not kid ourselves,there isnt a game like this but LoG and I enjoy MMX more. If they put enough content/riddles(apart balancing skills and magic), THAT WILL BE ENOUGH FOR ME and others, till the next one when expectations will b way higher!
gotri7
Jsebela, C_Rastrelly: What would you do if somebody was to dictate how you spend your free time? It's pretty obvious and generally applicable that it would infuriate you, especially if someone did it in such an ungrateful manner as you did it, without empathy indicating that you consider the devs anything more than just a bunch of robots you can order around. I, for one, am amazed that the devs are capable of working on the game, sacrificing the time they could spend some other way.
Cheers
Cheers
C_Rastrelly
1) If they didn't want critical reception of any actions, they should not make an early access game. They would be free of any whinespam that way.
2) Who dictates what? Devs spend their time the way they want. This won't change the fact of this game's inferiority to a whole set of 1990-es RPGs made with less resources and tools.
3) I have to spend my free time on useless crap all the time. I work in a university, you see.
2) Who dictates what? Devs spend their time the way they want. This won't change the fact of this game's inferiority to a whole set of 1990-es RPGs made with less resources and tools.
3) I have to spend my free time on useless crap all the time. I work in a university, you see.
gotri7
1) I agree with you, which doesn't change the fact that 'whinespam'(incredible word, thank you) is far from being constructive and simply annoying.
gotri7
2) Jsebela seems to dictate ways of spending free time to developers(although - I admit - not directly, so that might have been just my interpretation). Inferiority is question of preference and nostalgia, this game is made in 2013, overseen by Ubisoft, which certainly has much to tell about the game's direction. No amount of whinespam or constructive criticism will change that.
gotri7
3)Well, you can't tell me that you didn't expect it. Besides, on the graphic artists' entry it was said that one of them had to redo something over the course of weekend, so it's well documented that you're not the only one.
gotri7
geez, what an essay...
C_Rastrelly
Well, let's agree on two points:
1) There are some features that need to be polished before presenting them. Retro mode currently is far from being actually retro, visually it's just low-res without any smoothing.
2) I am not trying to dictate anything to anyone for sure. All I do is expressing my feelings on subject matter. I both have no rights and no power to dictate anything, but I have rights and power to criticize something I bought.
1) There are some features that need to be polished before presenting them. Retro mode currently is far from being actually retro, visually it's just low-res without any smoothing.
2) I am not trying to dictate anything to anyone for sure. All I do is expressing my feelings on subject matter. I both have no rights and no power to dictate anything, but I have rights and power to criticize something I bought.
gotri7
Tried to come up with of another lengthy production, but I see there is no need to discuss anything anymore on this topic. Case closed, thank you for participation.
And something is due you two - especially Jsebela:
I might have over-reacted after reading a whole bunch of irrational comments and certainly not all of the accusations far above are relevant to you.
And something is due you two - especially Jsebela:
I might have over-reacted after reading a whole bunch of irrational comments and certainly not all of the accusations far above are relevant to you.
Arynis13
Interesting concept, this Retro mode. I may not use it right away or anything, but it's something different.
My only real criticism is that white glow around targetable NPC's (e.g. the Giant Spider 'Fluffy'). I know there should be an active target highlight, I guess I just don't like it all that much.
Is there/will there be an option to turn that aspect of the game off?
My only real criticism is that white glow around targetable NPC's (e.g. the Giant Spider 'Fluffy'). I know there should be an active target highlight, I guess I just don't like it all that much.
Is there/will there be an option to turn that aspect of the game off?
Marzhin93
Yes. With a separate option for monster highlights and interactive objects highlights :)
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