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forgottenl
I'm really glad we get to see the last few classes. First Demon Hunter us going to be replaced with something else, correct? Also the class looks pretty fighty, definately add some variety to the mix, with a nice combo of melee and range skills. Still it definately wouldn't be my first choice. I could see adding it in if it fit in well with my other character choice though.
crow_the_pirate
Mixed feelings.On one side I like orcs and the lore looks awesome, but - it's not really a hybrid class as they can only master Air magic (other revealed hybrids master 2), it's good they can dual-wield and master daggers and maces, but to what use would that be? Spear+2 handed is going to be his/her prime due to GrandMastery anyway.At least the Hunter will get GM in Dodge which leaves a lot of other skills redundant and boring (Medium Armor, Shield, Dwield). I'd pick the Scout over it any day.
crow_the_pirate
....also, everyone and their mother seems to master Air Magic. Why not choosing something else for the Hunter? Dark perhaps? (Noone else save the Freemage can use Dark) Or Light/Earth so at least the Hunter can off-heal a bit.
Shukfir
We steel haven't seen 3 last classes. What if it's the last with Air Magic? Probably last human class will have Light, and last elf - Earth.
ThiiagoGriffin
Orc no "bond" with any of the dragons only with "Mother Earth" (Earth Magic) and "Sky Father" (Air Magic), just thought it wrong to dominate only the "Air", as it is a "hybrid" between the might and Magic, well that could dominate both the air as the earth, right?
ThiiagoGriffin
For the last class following the logic I see:
- Human: many speak paladin, but I think most "plausible" A Cleric GM of Magic Light
- Wood Elves: as many already suspect one Blademaster of Heroes V, since until now no class GM "Dual Wield"
- Dwarves: A Special Rune Priest or something, GM Fire Magic, and perhaps Light Magic.
- Human: many speak paladin, but I think most "plausible" A Cleric GM of Magic Light
- Wood Elves: as many already suspect one Blademaster of Heroes V, since until now no class GM "Dual Wield"
- Dwarves: A Special Rune Priest or something, GM Fire Magic, and perhaps Light Magic.
crow_the_pirate
Shukfir - that's true mate.Looks the human hybrid will be a Paladin (Light magic), what about the Dark magic then? Scout is already a M in Light, if the Dwarven Mage is going to follow suit/lore, they will have Fire and some Light too. Who is gonna M/GM Dark magic then? Surely not the Elven Might class...! At least Air and Earth are quite useful. Not like Water or Dark. (so far)
Shukfir
In an article about freemage that was said it to be the only class with Darkness (unfortunately).
SandroTheMaster
From the looks of it, the last Dwarf will be Fire Grandmaster. I don't know about light. It's possible it is the double-whammy of fire and light, but I just don't see light being the expertise of dwarves.
I'd bet the next human would be Paladin with access to GM light, as the early access give a very clear indication that Paladins are the last human class. As for Darkness, only the freeman has it.
I'd bet the next human would be Paladin with access to GM light, as the early access give a very clear indication that Paladins are the last human class. As for Darkness, only the freeman has it.
Shukfir
In heroes 5 unit Rune Priest used Light Magic, so it fits lore. In MMX dwarf scouts also have Light and even can be Masters of it.
forgottenl
Wow that is unfortunate. It means if you want Dark Magic, you need the Freemage. Hopefully Dark magic won't included any "must have" spells.
forgottenl
I read a preview article (RPG codex maybe?) where they tested a post early access version with the Rune Mage and stated he has Fire and Light.
TjenStylez
Why do I get the feeling there will be an Elf fighter class with Dagger & Dual Wield Grand Master...
SandroTheMaster
If you know the Heroes V Sylvan, it is pretty clear the elf fighter will be the blade dancer with GM Swords and Dual Wield.
TjenStylez
I've only played HoMM 5 for an hour, glad I didn't purchase it. I'm actually saying so, because in the M&M series, usually the Humans are the ones better at swords than daggers, they are usually the only class able to GM in it, and Elves are the ones who're having more talent at daggers than swords.
brbragequit
There already is, and it's even in the EA. It's the Ranger. As a result, I'd be surprised if the elf "Might" class has the exact same skills.
TjenStylez
Ubisoft puts the pure might on top, the hybrid in the middle and the magic class on the bottom of their list of picks in game I believe.
Suppose the Ranger is their might class, that would make the Ranger the only might class being the only one to not only have one, but even two magic skills being able to have at master level... Doesn't seem convincing to me.
Suppose the Ranger is their might class, that would make the Ranger the only might class being the only one to not only have one, but even two magic skills being able to have at master level... Doesn't seem convincing to me.
forgottenl
Even if you go with a might class based party, it will probably be helpful to have some spells to heal, buff the party members, and maybe travel or detect secrets, so I highly doubt spellcasters will be made obsolete. If anything, in the old Might and Magic games spellcasters were too powerful.
TjenStylez
Who said you should go with a Might based party? You understood me wrong if you think I did.
And for magic in the EA, I think there are a few useful spells, but the rest is not really worth it. Firebolt, Sparks, Gust of Wind, Regeneration, Burning Determination.. those are worth it.
And for magic in the EA, I think there are a few useful spells, but the rest is not really worth it. Firebolt, Sparks, Gust of Wind, Regeneration, Burning Determination.. those are worth it.
TjenStylez
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Most buffs are too expensive for their duration/effect, casting a Firebolt does more for 20 sp. Also, spells to detect traps/secrets, useful... but I rather have something passive that does that for you, like back in the day.
Most buffs are too expensive for their duration/effect, casting a Firebolt does more for 20 sp. Also, spells to detect traps/secrets, useful... but I rather have something passive that does that for you, like back in the day.
SandroTheMaster
About buffs, their duration and effect increases with spell power just like the damage of other spells. The main problem is that this is a incremental increase like it was in the earlier Might & Magic games. In later titles most buffs had at least some initial bonuses and then an incremental increase through skill on top of that, so that the buffs were noticeable even in the early game.
LegacyForTheWin
You're right :)
http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/823779-All-classes-all-skills-overview-%28per-EAV!%29
http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/823779-All-classes-all-skills-overview-%28per-EAV!%29
SandroTheMaster
@LEGACYFORTHEWIN
Huh... apparently I was also right about Paladins/Crusaders having Light GM.
Earth GM for the Dwarf is interesting. IF they didn't have Light GM as well I'd wager on them having earth GM. But that's only because I was under the impression only the Freemage had 3 magic GM skills... not sure why, since I did two groups with Druids and Shamans.
Huh... apparently I was also right about Paladins/Crusaders having Light GM.
Earth GM for the Dwarf is interesting. IF they didn't have Light GM as well I'd wager on them having earth GM. But that's only because I was under the impression only the Freemage had 3 magic GM skills... not sure why, since I did two groups with Druids and Shamans.
SandroTheMaster
Oh, two other things... why on earth is the Paladin the only other class with access to magic focus? There's only one light spell as far as I can tell that can actually take use of the focus... unless... Sun Ray is back as the GM spell. I wonder if a Sun Ray build would even be viable... though I'm skeptical that at basic it'd be much use either way, especially when they seem to have Swords GM as well.
SandroTheMaster
Also, seems like Dual Wield GM is very powerful, or the blade dancer has a really good advanced class skill, because he seems rather short on skills.
(Stupid word limit, I could have this all in one post.)
(Stupid word limit, I could have this all in one post.)
TjenStylez
If that table is correct, I'm quite satisfied with the additional classes. Blade Dancer with dual wield and sword GM will be my second might character in my party and the Rune Priest the second magic character.
TjenStylez
@Sandro:
It's Arcane Discipline the Crusader has, not Magical Focus. The skill that gives magical resistance, seems more logical eh? :p Maybe Day of the Gods? But I'm guessing spells are more based on the latest HoMM game rather than older M&M games.
Dual wield always has been powerful in M&M. M&M6 I used to pick 2 Knights in my party, both dual Swords. Especially kicks ass when you've got Artifacts/Relics later on.
It's Arcane Discipline the Crusader has, not Magical Focus. The skill that gives magical resistance, seems more logical eh? :p Maybe Day of the Gods? But I'm guessing spells are more based on the latest HoMM game rather than older M&M games.
Dual wield always has been powerful in M&M. M&M6 I used to pick 2 Knights in my party, both dual Swords. Especially kicks ass when you've got Artifacts/Relics later on.
SandroTheMaster
Can we get any explanation of how dodge works? The disclaimer +1 dodge from the skill explains very, very little. Does dodge just decrease the chance of enemy attacks hitting the character? Or is it a roll that if succeeded, avoids damage? Could we have some kind of feedback if an attack is avoided thanks to Dodge (like we have for block?)
I'm not sure about the hunter. Looks too much like the Barbarian, except for being somewhat tougher, access to air magic and being more versatile.
I'm not sure about the hunter. Looks too much like the Barbarian, except for being somewhat tougher, access to air magic and being more versatile.
SandroTheMaster
Which is weird, the general impression I get from this class is that it makes the barbarian pretty much obsolete. GM Two-Handed seems really nice... but... my experience with the barbarian is that he is so squishy he just does't work at all as a party tank... while this hunter actually might.
TjenStylez
The Barbarian's second class will do 1% more damage for every 1% health he/she below maximum. Also, 2H Grand Master allows your hits to be unable to be blocked by enemies. I expect the Barbarian to be inflicting tons of damage more than the Hunter later in the game.
Being a versatile hybrid will include you will be a so called "jack-of-all-trades", but you'll be in fact a master of none ;-)
A specialized fighter and caster will most likely always do better than two hybrid classes.
Being a versatile hybrid will include you will be a so called "jack-of-all-trades", but you'll be in fact a master of none ;-)
A specialized fighter and caster will most likely always do better than two hybrid classes.
LE-Lore
@Sandrothemaster: The dodge skill increases a character's evade value. The defender's evade value and the attacker's attack value determine the hit chance for a strike.
SandroTheMaster
@LE-LORE
So it is possible to tell if a character was missed thanks to its evade. And my initial impression that it directly decreased the attacker's attack value was correct. A feedback when an attack is evaded would be very much appreciated (with a party bark if possible).
So it is possible to tell if a character was missed thanks to its evade. And my initial impression that it directly decreased the attacker's attack value was correct. A feedback when an attack is evaded would be very much appreciated (with a party bark if possible).
DreamWarden33
In the early access version of the game I like having each race in my party because you get full access to all of the barks. I noticed that each race has the same set of barks, so two humans are going to say the same thing. Since there is no respawn, barks are going help me get through large, empty areas. I am glad they are showing us the last four classes before the final release. I like the Dwarven Scout so there is hope for the hybrid classes.
crow_the_pirate
I concur. There's one thing though - why does the Elven Maid have a horrible Scottish accent? (sounds like Scottish) It's perfectly fine for my burly Dwarf Scout to complain about enemies and the party not showering, but when the same lines are uttered (with a very similar slang) by the Elvish Druid, it gives me the creeps. I hope that's just a temporary-early access thing.
Shukfir
Scottish accent - isn't a bug. It's a feature. Every race in Ashan is being inspirated by some real-world cultures (humans - europe; orcs - polynesian, aztecs, african tribes; dwarves - scandinavian culture; elves - native americans and celts). I suppose, it's interesting of druids to speak with scottish accent, thus as scottish - is one of the celtic languages and druids were celtic priests.
ThiiagoGriffin
This game is getting great *-*, the only thing I noticed or at least "it strange" is that all dragons have a "race" that serves him less "Malassa" and "Shalassa" for a more forward thinking and add?
- Malassa: Might (Rogue), Magic (Witch), Hybrid? (Uhmm, I have no idea)
- Shalassa: Might (Samurai?), Magic (Monk / Priest?), Hybrid (Monk?)
I think if possem something for these two would be more "filled", but as the game is great ta ^.^
Moreover ta great :D
- Malassa: Might (Rogue), Magic (Witch), Hybrid? (Uhmm, I have no idea)
- Shalassa: Might (Samurai?), Magic (Monk / Priest?), Hybrid (Monk?)
I think if possem something for these two would be more "filled", but as the game is great ta ^.^
Moreover ta great :D
LegacyForTheWin
DLC ... (?)
ThiiagoGriffin
Can only hope I have anyway because everyone has their race in this game, and less Shalassa Malassa, Shalassa already missed out on Heroes V, felt just having a race for each, plus it would be much more real to RPGs itself because this is the only one who does not have Rogue. it would be a good job for the Might of Malassa. The spells and Dark Water as being very undervalued :/
Water GM - Druid and Shaman (Shaman!? -. - ')
Dark GM - Freemage only
Water GM - Druid and Shaman (Shaman!? -. - ')
Dark GM - Freemage only
Reaver298
now there is a spectatcular idea that could add a lot of life and versatility to the game. I support and hope for this.
Reaver298
I think the hybrid for malassa would be a fury, minatour or something of the like. if someone managed to do this as mods or it becomes dlc that would bring the game in a good way.
Reaver298
this a great idea and should whole heartly supported in the form of mods or dlc. great idea sir
Reaver298
this a great idea and should whole heartly supported in the form of mods or dlc. great idea sir
Reaver298
you have so many good ideas you should definitely mod this gamei'm sure the community and the game itself would benefit from it. as for the rogue they get to poison weapons and later get sealth for 1st turn of combat.
ThiiagoGriffin
yes yes, I also hope so too, after all are the only two dragons say they were "rejected" right?
However, a minotaur hybrid of Malassa?
Malassa governs the Dark Elves :/
However, a minotaur hybrid of Malassa?
Malassa governs the Dark Elves :/
jsebela
Ocrs still have that bonus against Demons. So will there be demons in play or not? I read somewhere here on devblog, there won´t be any. If thats true, why are you giving players bonus which in result would be useless in gameplay?
Kmanfree
Good question there seems to be conflicting information on whether demons are in the game or not.
muratkom
yep i remember the same there wont be any demons in the game and orc racials will change, I m guessing this hunter info were prepared long ago and they forget to change it before publish ...
LE-Lore
Sorry, my bad. There are no demons, and therefore the Orcs have been stripped of their Demon Slayer ability. This also means that each race now has two specialties (instead of all others having two and Orcs having three). Thanks for the hint, Jsebela!
LegacyForTheWin
Speaking of the specialties:
I hope those have been changed for the humans.
The additional starting skills are not "quick learning" but "versatility".
Since I like the idea of quick learning, I would suggest to reduce the additional skill points from 6 to 2 and add in 10% faster experience gain.
I hope those have been changed for the humans.
The additional starting skills are not "quick learning" but "versatility".
Since I like the idea of quick learning, I would suggest to reduce the additional skill points from 6 to 2 and add in 10% faster experience gain.
TjenStylez
No, what you mean is called "Learning" in the Might and Magic series, a skill that increases experience gained, and Ubi has chosen to not use that skill in Legacy.
coltrek
Is there a Paladin? the undead killer and healer that will sacrifices them self ti protect others?
ThiiagoGriffin
A paladin would be very strange in my opinion for a "Hybrid", which is lacking in humans, for it is nothing more than a "wall" between evil and its allies, having the aid of sacred magic (Magic Light ), in other words it has more features for a "Might", then for a "Hybrid", thought it would be better if it by a "clergyman", which is nothing but the balance between "Might" and "Magic" at least that is what I see in all RPGs out there.
ThiiagoGriffin
*Cleric
Sorry, english don't is my national language, and google tradutor is bad ://
Sorry, english don't is my national language, and google tradutor is bad ://
ThiiagoGriffin
*Cleric
Sorry, english don't is my national language, and google tradutor is bad ://
Sorry, english don't is my national language, and google tradutor is bad ://
SandroTheMaster
Both the Hunter and the Scout seem to do a fine job as tanks if need be and built that way. I see no reason why the paladin couldn't be a more defense oriented hybrid that doubles as a durable tanking class. Not to mention that the Paladin has aways been kind of a hybrid class in Might & Magic games.
If he could Master shields and plates with access to master-level Light he wouldn't be far from M&M VII's Paladins.
If he could Master shields and plates with access to master-level Light he wouldn't be far from M&M VII's Paladins.
LegacyForTheWin
Yes, there will be a Paladin. Its the promoted version of the Crusader. Have a look here:
http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/823779-All-classes-all-skills-overview-%28per-EAV!%29
http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/823779-All-classes-all-skills-overview-%28per-EAV!%29
SandroTheMaster
One other thing that'd be very useful is a tooltip to how Armor works. Is it a direct decrease of damage taken or does it decrease at a percentage with diminishing returns?
TjenStylez
+1
I hope this is included in the manual you get when you purchase the game, or that it's gonna be given somewhere.
Formulas and calculations in order to decide resistance, block, evasion etc. As a bundle :-)
I hope this is included in the manual you get when you purchase the game, or that it's gonna be given somewhere.
Formulas and calculations in order to decide resistance, block, evasion etc. As a bundle :-)
TjenStylez
Kind of a question which I've been pondering on while playing earlier. When I'm playing it seems as if the skill bar stops after reaching the third tier, Grand Master. Does this mean you can not put any more points in this, or does the bar just fail at representing the system well enough?
Kinda off topic, but just wondering.
Kinda off topic, but just wondering.
LegacyForTheWin
Very good question!
I hope there is no limit!
I hope there is no limit!
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